Jul. 12th, 2009 07:05 pm
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Debenhams. Enough said.

Anyone wants to help me make a list of the amount of shit and abuse a certain character went through at the hands of the writers? Just for the lulz, because the more I think about this the more I get angry and any minute now I'm going for mass slaughter. So?

The way the character of Ianto Jones is treated in CoE is offensive, for the simple reason that the ONLY information we get about him, the only information the new viewers who have never seen Torchwood before are given about him, is that he is gay.

Was that the only thing that defined his character? Honestly, wasn't there anything else more interesting that could have been said about him?

Oh, wait. There was one. Debenhams!

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Date: 2009-07-12 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'd love to help you. For starters, the ones I can think about are:

(based on what I saw in CoE)

1) Jack constantly getting snippy at Ianto
2) Ianto being called a 'pervert' by that mum in the park where he meets up with his sister
3) Jack refusing to do anything concrete to ensure that they get some quality time together when they are in their makeshift headquarters.
4) Jack yelling 'just show me!' or something like that at Ianto when he tells him about Clem and Scotland 1965. It is just so rude and disrespectful to do that to your partner.
5) Ianto being told that he 'smells' like a queer.
6) Andy making 'hur hur Ianto's gay' comments when he is on his way to Rhiannon to tell her about Ianto's DEATH, for f's sake!
7) Rhiannon implying that Ianto was some kind of liar who made up tall tales about his family background.

WTF, RTD! What did this character ever do to you that you had to treat him so shabbily?

By the way, thanks for friending me.

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Date: 2009-07-12 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You're welcome and thanks for the help. I need it right now :)

What makes me mad about CoE is, of course, the "no more Ianto for you silly mings mongs" but more than that the completely gratuitous slagging off inflicted on the character. Which is not funny, it just hurts. Because it's offensive.

Maybe I'm over sensitive but I reckon that since they were going to kill him, making fun of him and insulting him every 5 minutes was something dictated by an incredible bad taste.

I agree with every of the points you listed. But sadly there's more.

1) Day 1: Jack tells Ianto "You will die like a dog". Not nice at all, especially if that's exactly what is going to happen.

2) Day 1: we are informed that he is a bender, a gayboy who takes it up the arse. Again, very nice way to introduce the character to the new viewers who never saw Ianto before.

3) Day 2: he is called a perv. Just because, you know.

4) Day 3: he is a queer and he smells like a queer. WTF!

5) Day 4: he's dead but the question really is "was he gay?" You know, just in case the notion didn't get through.

6) Day 4: bloody Debenhams, because he was a pathetic liar and you didn't know him at all.
And I don't know what to do with the information that he got his leg broken by his dad, who always pushed him too hard. Help. Do I have to use this information to try understand what he's got with Jack, because I think this is the part where I had a serious brain damage.

7) so if his dad was always pushing him hard fatherfigure!Jack is constantly pushing him off because there are more important things to do ATM (beans are almost ready, for fuck sake!)

8) the whole "Speak to me Jack" scene, where once again Jack shrug him off with a "and just so you know I have a daughter and a grandson". Well Jack, if you don't tell him, guess what, he doesn't know.

9) "I love you" which was met with a "Don't".

And I'm sure I'm missing other nice things. There's quite a list. Really.

At this point I'd like to go back and add the abuse and sexual abuse he received in series 1 and 2 and in the book novels because I think it would be quite enlightening.

Thanks and...

Date: 2009-07-19 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hope you don't mind, but I am in the process of comprising a list of my own of things that I will say to RTD next week...These are some of the issues I would like to include right next to the Bury-the-Gay/Disposable Woman cliché

Your list makes it easy I haven't been able to re-watch the series and I don't think I can with out wanting to scream at the telly

Re: Thanks and...

Date: 2009-07-19 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
You're welcome. I actually saw around LJ other people who make the more or less the same remarks as mine here.

You may want to check Tencrush LJ, she's way more articulate than me and makes very good observations on Ianto in general.

Also there are tons of comments of pissed viewers on Digital Spy website and on After Elton of course.

All worth a look.

Re: Thanks and...

Date: 2009-07-19 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Thanks again great links...not sure if I subscribe to the don't let RTD know how you feel but the links were informative and well written. For me it is the 'gay bashing' I really feel like I have been. And sure there are worse examples to be found elsewhere...what is worse here is the show was marketed as being ground-breaking in the sense that Ianto and Jack were a couple (although shit they couldn't even agree on this) and it was on mainstream TV and yet this was never the issue. Like I said have been gay bashed by TV shows before this came out of no where blindsided me and I am left feeling like a mouse cut in half who had just found a bit of cheese.

Re: Thanks and...

Date: 2009-07-19 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
To put it simple, old fans were let down because I'm sure I had several WTF moments while I was watching, but the thing that worries me is what possible idea of the characters the new viewers might have had.

And I'm convinced that a large part of the audience who was unconfortable with the same sex relationship to begin with was very pleased at the end that "that gay one" aka Ianto wasn't around to bother them, and Jack, any longer.

Ianto was the most interesting character, even maybe more interesting than Jack, what with his past in Torchwood London, with Canary Wharf, the hints about his father... all reduced to nothing.

(no subject)

Date: 2009-07-23 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
In Day One, Ianto is made out to be stupid because when he loses the SUV he doesn't automatically get out a PDA and try to track down the car, he turns into a little boy whining to his parents that's he's lost something of importance of them.

OK, Day Two. He is back to being resourceful Ianto we know and love but he is shown so little as to feel like he was only added in as after thoughts.

Day Three, Ianto was pretty much pigeonholed into Tosh's old position of being the one stuck in The Hub. Gwen and Jack got to go out and do their thing but Ianto didn't do much apart from being called Queer which he took offence to and rightly so. And what did Torchwood's Little Miss Sensitive do, she laughed at Ianto. Sorry but that was a time to prove that feelings matter a little telling off with Clem would be better, instead its seen as OK.

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Date: 2009-07-23 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, because you see, that was "comic relief"!

Sorry, I can't get Eve's logic out of my mind today.


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